Difference between PNU & ODM

[wajibu]

In my opinion PNU are thieves and ODM are thugs. Big difference, thieves are discrete while committing larceny but ODM are crude and vicious. Take the election for example, PNU just snatched the votes on their way to KICC while ODM employed thugs in field to enforce votes were counted there way. Observe the motions in Parliament ODM are about threats and intimidation while PNU is about being sneaky.

Bottom line they both steal just different methods.

[teejay]

Originally Posted by wajibu

In my opinion PNU are thieves and ODM are thugs. Big difference, thieves are discrete while committing larceny but ODM are crude and vicious. Take the election for example, PNU just snatched the votes on their way to KICC while ODM employed thugs in field to enforce votes were counted there way. Observe the motions in Parliament ODM are about threats and intimidation while PNU is about being sneaky.

Bottom line they both steal just different methods.

When one cannot defend themselves in the court they self- incriminate by saying, "but Look even so and so did this!!??"

Exonerate PNU and don't let your failure to do so direct your fingers at ODM.

[wajibu]

Originally Posted by teejay

When one cannot defend themselves in the court they self- incriminate by saying, "but Look even so and so did this!!??"

Exonerate PNU and don't let you failure to do so direct your fingers at ODM.

Well this is not a court scenario and they are both culpable and can’t be abdicated. ODM can never do any wrong in your eyes so, no need to waste my breath convincing you otherwise.

If PNU and ODM broke into the same house one party would break in through the window, go straight for the TV’s CD players, valuables and bail out before they are caught. And incase the surveillance camera caught them in the act they would deny it and claim the video was fabricated. On, the other hand the other party would not be discreet they would use a bulldozer to get in, clean the house, beat, torture and rape the owners. After that they would appear to help by taking their victims to hospital then taking credit in the media for being heroes and good Samaritans. Guess which party is which.

[TikTok]

wajibu,

You can try as hard as you can, but Teejay is only asking you to substantiate your allegations. Where is the evidence PNU steals? Where is the evidence ODM are thugs. From there we can debate sensibly. I could also argue out that PNU are actually the thugs with mungiki and security aparatus caught on camera beating, maiming and killing people sensless. I do not see ODM thugs or security forces doing the same, I only read about them uprooting railways and demonstrating due to bad governance. Over to you...

[Big P]

Originally Posted by TikTok

wajibu,

You can try as hard as you can, but Teejay is only asking you to substantiate your allegations. Where is the evidence PNU steals? Where is the evidence ODM are thugs. From there we can debate sensibly. I could also argue out that PNU are actually the thugs with mungiki and security aparatus caught on camera beating, maiming and killing people sensless. I do not see ODM thugs or security forces doing the same, I only read about them uprooting railways and demonstrating due to bad governance. Over to you...

Okay! what the difference between a thief and thug? Secondly who between the two is better or worse than the other?

[Ghetto Love]

Originally Posted by Big P

Okay! what the difference between a thief and thug? Secondly who between the two is better or worse than the other?

What kind of question are you asking Raila,s worshippers? to them he is "holy" and you are interfering with his "Sect", havent you seen sect leaders are now vying for Presidency in 2012?
The Thugs who support Raila,burn and maim in the name of ODM "stolen" votes,stone,burn,sodomise,kill a young boy in Kibera wearing a PNU Tshirt,uprooting rails are "saved" thugs.

[teejay]

Originally Posted by Ghetto Love

What kind of question are you asking Raila,s worshippers? to them he is "holy" and you are interfering with his "Sect", havent you seen sect leaders are now vying for Presidency in 2012?
The Thugs who support Raila,burn and maim in the name of ODM "stolen" votes,stone,burn,sodomise,kill a young boy in Kibera wearing a PNU Tshirt,uprooting rails are "saved" thugs.

If to support RAO is to worship him then let me say Amen to that. I am his worshiper.

Secondly I am on record here in mashada as having said that RAO is no angel but his does excel in championing issues that are dear to a majority of Kenyans with the brevity that no other politician in this country does. I will support him where he is right and equally tell him off where he is wrong.

You have mentioned that his supporters are thugs. I want you to bring evidence here which implicates teejay in all those things you have mentioned.

Third, you must learn to differentiate civil disobedience from open thuggery. Kenya is country where a vast majority leave below the poverty line. Any opportunity coming in the form of civil disobedience no matter its nobility, in the eyes of impoverished jobless people is always converted into an act of looting, Raping, name it all. It does not make matters any better when politicians go hiring the services of the jobless youth. Add that to the terror machinery called Kenya Police Force who are always the aggressor and you have recipe for bedlam. Therefore to narrow such occurrences to ODM as if you are some foreigner from pluto is to represent your utter ignorance on what the party's leadership stands for.

An individual's problems must not be forced upon the entire entity of ODM. If so an so is guilty please deal with him/her and not an entire party.

Did you say something about uprooting the railway? Well, that is the very definition of the very change that we Kenyans want. People who are willing to suffer for the future of a better country. You get change by sitting your bum behind a computer and typing the word change. You have got to do something. Something that makes people in leadership position think. It must not be business as usual when things are not right. I will support railway uprooting even if they did it a hundredfold.

Lastly, your salvos against ODM's leadership are as useless as the proverbial donkey's hide. It is PNU who is now supporting the very thugs they claim are part of ODM. So where does that leave you and your PNU.

Kama ODM ni pwagu nyie hapo PNU bila shaka ni pwaguzi. Waingeraza wanasema ukitaka kusihika pwaguzi unamtuma pwagu.

[Ghetto Love]

Originally Posted by teejay

If to support RAO is to worship him then let me say Amen to that. I am his worshiper.

Secondly I am on record here in mashada as having said that RAO is no angel but his does excel in championing issues that are dear to a majority of Kenyans with the brevity that no other politician in this country does. I will support him where he is right and equally tell him off where he is wrong.

You have mentioned that his supporters are thugs. I want you to bring evidence here which implicates teejay in all those things you have mentioned.

Third, you must learn to differentiate civil disobedience from open thuggery. Kenya is country where a vast majority leave below the poverty line. Any opportunity coming in the form of civil disobedience no matter its nobility, in the eyes of impoverished jobless people is always converted into an act of looting, Raping, name it all. It does not make matters any better when politicians go hiring the services of the jobless youth. Add that to the terror machinery called Kenya Police Force who are always the aggressor and you have recipe for bedlam. Therefore to narrow such occurrences to ODM as if you are some foreigner from pluto is to represent your utter ignorance on what the party's leadership stands for.

An individual's problems must not be forced upon the entire entity of ODM. If so an so is guilty please deal with him/her and not an entire party.

Did you say something about uprooting the railway? Well, that is the very definition of the very change that we Kenyans want. People who are willing to suffer for the future of a better country. You get change by sitting your bum behind a computer and typing the word change. You have got to do something. Something that makes people in leadership position think. It must not be business as usual when things are not right. I will support railway uprooting even if they did it a hundredfold.

Lastly, your salvos against ODM's leadership are as useless as the proverbial donkey's hide. It is PNU who is now supporting the very thugs they claim are part of ODM. So where does that leave you and your PNU.

Kama ODM ni pwagu nyie hapo PNU bila shaka ni pwaguzi. Waingeraza wanasema ukitaka kusihika pwaguzi unamtuma pwagu.

Teejay your argument doesnt hold any water,You understand English,Go through my post again and show me any iota of evidence that is adduced to me as having implicated you "Teejay" in what i,ve said, but with the same breath show me evidence that the boy who was killed for wearing a PNU tshirt, wasnt killed by ODM supporters.
You and i know most of those who might head for the Hague if at all there will be any are ODMers.Of cause PNU also has one or two names there.
When you go damaging other peoples property in the name of Civil disobedience,uprooting Rail lines(kwanza hii ni utoto ati No Raila no Rail)
Those are acts of thuggery, you can demonstrate peacefully like the one which was held juzi by one Omutata...Thats Civil, its not Thuggery.
We call you guys worshippers because we have never seen you Condemn Raila when he goes wrong,until that happens, Do you recall one full Prof. Olweny having a near fist fight with Ababu Namwamba because Raila,s name had been adversely mentioned by the later?..Imagine just mentioning him!.Its crazy!
Teejay killing innocent people with State Machinery is also not good and any right thinking person should condemn it,Nobody can support that.We are in agreement there.
But rioting and damaging other innocent people,s property is no means for bringing Change either, unless you want to burn Ukwala Super market in Kisumu,lose your job then enjoy the benefits of unemployment..Yes..Thats CHANGE!!!...according to one Teejay!

[bloggeratti]

@ TJ
Mboss,

If you support Raila all I can say is Lord have mercy on you!
Just because the blabbermouth yaps about an issue here and there doesn't mean his championing anything but his pudgy-shiny face on page one of the Standard. As much as I solidly stand by Tinga's second liberation credentials, his positive CV ends there.

If you support defacing public infrastructure and looting private business as "agents of change" all I can say is Shindwe!
Rosa Parks didn't ngoa the seat in her bus or break its windows - she simply refused to stand up...and sparked a revolution. Jesus was torn to shreds carrying a piece of wood 10 times his weight - he didn't massacre Roman soldiers...yet he inspired the world's largest religion.

If you think heaping the ills of an individual to a party is wrong, all I can say is a bullet between your eyes would do you a world of good.
ODM is utopia. Flashy, bright and loud - but empty. A cursory look at the party's elite (the Pentagoofs) is evidence enough that it was a skyscraper built on quicksand.
Ngilu - 1bn conveniently disappears during her watch
Kosgey - brings down a monopoly worth billions
Ruto - almost brings down an entire country (courtesy of YK92)
Nyagah - a product of a political dynasty that oversees one of the most backward constituencies in Central Kenya.
And to cap it all off, Tinga, the ever smiling leader who, despite hanging around these thugs, parades himself as Safi-kama-pamba and Kenya's ticket to Nirvana.

Pray tell, what doofus would look up to these losers as deliverers of a bright future?

Bottom line? They're all thugs.
Kibaki doesn't give a [pardon me french] sh'it. Raila pretends to give a sh'it. The perfect good-cop-bad-cop B movie and you simpletons are thoroughly entertained as they desecrate your taxes.

I won't pretend to be enlightened in that pwagu-shizzle, but methinks someone is being taken for a ride.

[Ni_Diambo]

@Blogg, if you had highlighted the thieving ways of Baba Jimmy’s own Pentagon (his might be an Octagon or something), you might have succeeded in convincing one or two ODMers that all these guys are crooks and we are the ones on this end of their craft.

I have come to believe there’s something called “The nature of the beast.” That one you cannot change. Hard-core Raila-ites (different from ODMers) are hard-wired to interpret any criticism of or disagreement with Raila/ODM as a direct affront on the man or the party. Note, the two are indistinguishable from each other. This is despite claims that they will disagree with him “when he is wrong.” Going by what I see on Mashada, either he has never been wrong (a quasi-deity) or this is a blatant lie.

For the record, my MP is an ODM MP and we have had MPs from different parties over the years. I can tell you this fanaticism is restricted to areas where Raila is religion, not necessarily to places where ODM won.

Remember Wako’s flawed Constitution? “Ati Raila has read it and found it wanting. We don’t need to look at it.” Such can be said of a party leader, but of the President of a country? Scary.